Friday, August 29, 2008

Prophets of Baal Video

*I cannot help but think, that Todd Bentley's "display" of calling on angels was for the "Hell" of it, literally; to spite his critics (and critics are right to do so) for "bashing" against his blatant error concerning them.

Homeless Neglected In Lakeland Revival’s “Sphere”

Apparently, just 100 or so yards away from Ignited Church in Lakeland Florida is a tent city of homeless people. True to form representing the character of those holding the revival; homeless people have been neglected and one homeless man—Brandt Russo-- has now been arrested due to Stephen Strader’s complaint. I mean, after all people, they are trying to hold a revival, and show the love of Jesus to the world! They haven’t got time for homeless and poor people, this is a revival for the “enlightened ones—orchestrated by the golden boys and girls of the apostolic prophetic sorts”, and people with fly away cash in their pockets. These homeless people are trying to make Ignited Church “look bad”, homeless and all, and needing help. (Please know, I am being sarcastic).Audacious! Do not the new age apostolic prophetic types need help? Help filling their greedy wallets and purses, help being puffed up as people look up at them all big-eyed and swirling in deceptive derision, and help to make sure television cameras take in their disorderly demonic swaggering? What would Jesus do? Kick them in the face? Call the police on them for trespassing in the camera’s eye? Lord have mercy on us! Below are some of the stories concerning what happened. This is not just a false revival problem either. I wrote on the plight of the homeless a few months ago, to read go here.

Brandt Russo Arrested!!
At 2 o'clock this afternoon, Brandt Russo was arrested at the request of the pastor of Ignited Church. He is being charged with trespassing on private property (church parking lot and swamp). Read more here

There Must Be Hope
Isn't it the Christ followers that claim we are able to "come as you are" ? Then what is happening? Lakeland, Florida is just one area that ridiculously unholy things are occuring to the ones Jesus specifically came for. Read more here.

Wednesday, August 27, 2008

Standing Against A Foreign Invasion

Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. (Acts 5:29).

The “revival” in Lakeland Florida should serve to initiate a call in the Christian community to a holy “rebellion” as opposed to “submission” towards the NAR (New Apostolic Reformation) elite, and those deriving “spiritual nourishment” from its monstrous tentacles. As believers, we must exercise discernment concerning certain church leaders, pastors, the books we read, the Christian television shows we watch, the music we listen too---to see whether these things are truly aligned with the Word Of God. The New Apostolic Reformation crowd composed of the so-called “new apostles and prophets” are contaminating the Church with new age theology and dominionist apostolic alignment hogwash. From promoting new age philosophies to perverted sexual behavior from its leaders to the selling of cyberspace church pews (Extreme Prophetic), this group has repeatedly exhibited ungodliness and promoted antichrist teachings. Additionally, and despite them, our senses are becoming dull to ungodly images and godless Christian music from various sources. Teachings on holiness too often encompass shallow and empty buzzwords; and many of today’s so-called leaders frequently refer to secular trashy tv shows and movies in their messages. Irreverent teachings abound (such as by “mystic” John Crowder) on God, and the prosperity gospel is being marketed with fervent greed. Sadly its not a new problem.

EZEKIEL 44:6-8
6 And thou shalt say to the rebellious, even to the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; O ye house of Israel, let it suffice you of all your abominations,
7 In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.
8 And ye have not kept the charge of mine holy things: but ye have set keepers of my charge in my sanctuary for yourselves.

And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.

Are church leaders teaching godliness or are they teaching compromise? Are they teaching the believer to have a reverential fear of God? The Lakeland healing revival reeks of compromise, idolatry, new age mysticism and corruption. The NAR apostate declared Todd Bentley will be “aligned” under certain “super apostles” (John Arnott, Bill Johnson and Che Ann) to facilitate “correction”; however Bentley reportedly has been receiving “guidance” from two of these men for a couple of years now. Has it done Bentley any good in that time? The obvious answer is “no”, for it is tantamount to the blind leading the blind. The bad theology in this movement only aided in helping to make Bentley the man he is today, a deceiver teaching damnable heresies.

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

We need to “revolt” against these people, and come out from among their leadership. You need not submit to them, and you need not feel bad about it either. You need not question whether you are being rebellious by leaving them, because you are more likely rebellious staying under them. Jesus said “If you love me keep my commands”. But the NAR and its constituency say “Go with the flow”, and “jump in the river” never taking responsibility for generating a stinking cesspool containing a mixture of false spirituality, faulty revelations, along with a smattering of Word.

Jeremiah 6:13-15
13 For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.
14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

They say in their actions “never mind His commands because ‘we have a new revelation”; and questioning their authority and living by the Word is "bondage"…it’s "religion". “Peace, peace, grace grace”, and Lord how they try to abuse it. Anti-submission to their false authority is equivalent to having a Jezebel spirit, their thinking processes is fragmented and eroded by false doctrines. No doubt some reading this may say I am promoting division and not unity. That’s right. I am …in certain cases regarding specific types of people.

2 Corinthians 6:14-18
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them ; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing ; and I will receive you.
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty

God said in His Word what communion does light have with darkness? Pastors leading their flocks astray by embracing the bad theology of the new apostolic prophetic movement are dangerous. Move out from among them, and separate from them. Find another church. Contribute to a different ministry. Unify with those in truth, and admonish those in error, but should we attempt to unify with those preaching a different gospel? Pray for those trapped in this vicious lie for their sakes, for being deceived, they go out deceiving others. We don’t cast them aside, but we must separate ourselves from them. Notice how opposition to them invokes behavior exhibited by people typically brainwashed by cults. They are ensnared by the enemy and do not know it, they cannot see 'the forest for the trees'.

Ephesians 5:3-9
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

Lakeland demonstrated the NAR apostolic prophetic type of leadership well: messy, inconsistent, new age themes, gross biblical error, antichrist, greedy, idolatrous, prideful, sensual, etc. We cannot relax and let our guard down because the revival in Florida is pretty much over (despite Lakeland II), indeed, it is just a facet of a much larger and dangerous problem emanating from the apostolic prophetic movement. C. Peter Wagner and and his host of false apostles and prophets are still out there---twisting the Word of God, exalting themselves and spreading error like an insidious disease. It’s time to move away from these people prostituting the Word for their ill-gotten gain and idolatrous worship of each other. For indeed, they are the rebellious ones.

Tuesday, August 26, 2008

Wagner And Mystery Meatloaf

C. Peter Wagner has come out with damage control Part Two, a blend of Part One’s mechanically processed meat mixed with Dutch Sheets, alignments and other apostolic nonsense. And when all else fails, put a different name on the same kind of package and see where that takes you (Lakeland I and Lakeland II). Will Wagner come clean in Part Three--- that his long lost twin brother was the one at the commissioning ceremony impersonating him, and that he personally had nothing to do with it?

An Update on Lakeland from Peter

August 25, 2008

I was in the San Francisco airport on my way to Singapore and Indonesia when the news of Todd Bentley's separation from his wife became public on August 12. When I arrived back home last week, I found that Doris had received and replied to around 1,700 emails and the stack of correspondence on my desk was unbelievable. It took me the rest of the week to catch up!

During the week I was gone, a major watershed occurred regarding the Lakeland situation as most of you would know. We are now on a new playing field. Lakeland Outpouring I, in which Todd Bentley was the main figure, is now history. Lakeland Outpouring II, in which Stephen Strader of Ignited Church is the main figure, has begun. The Outpouring started in a local church, went to a tent, and now is back in the local church. My suggestion is that we no longer use the term "Lakeland Outpouring" but rather distinguish between Lakeland I and Lakeland II because they are very different.

Let me talk a bit about the present, then revisit the past, then project the future.

The Present

It will sound surprising to some, but Lakeland II in Ignited Church, which you will remember was the original host church, is going very well. The big crowds and GOD TV, of course, are gone. Ignited Church seats around 700 in the main sanctuary and Stephen Strader reports that on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday evenings they have to use their overflow room. It is comfortably filled on week nights. The morning training sessions continue with a couple hundred every day, and teams continue to move daily into the streets of Lakeland spreading the gospel. Percentage-wise the dramatic miracles and healings occur nightly with probably a higher percentage of salvations on a daily basis. Support from local pastors is improving considerably. The most interesting report is that every night some 30 percent are first-time attenders, meaning that people are still coming to Lakeland from the outside to experience Outpouring II. A lady from our church with a severe chronic back problem went to Ignited Church and came home healed! Such a thing does not usually happen when a public figure suddenly goes down the tubes, so we need to take our hats off to the apostolic gifts and role that Stephen Strader is demonstrating for us.

Speaking of the public figure going down the tubes, Todd Bentley now carries the label of a liar and a deceiver. I'm sorry to mention it, but I felt personally deceived in the same way when Ted Haggard's sin was exposed and he was immediately removed from ministry. In the Lakeland I case, I am elated at the way things are turning out. The Revival Alliance with whom Todd was aligned on June 23 has kicked into action with a vengeance. Ché Ahn and Bill Johnson, like me, were overseas when things broke, but John Arnott stepped up to the plate and moved in apostolically. It has since become clear that Todd's Fresh Fire Board could not have handled the situation, Stephen Strader and Ignited Church could not, nor could any of his other close friends. Only the Revival Alliance could. I am delighted that they are not buying into typical charismatic soft morality, also called "greasy grace" or "don't touch God's anointed" or "mercy must triumph over judgment," phrases that have been used on other similar occasions as convenient religious cop-out excuses. They're proceeding in love, but it is tough love!

Since this is an update, I will share some of what I know about what is happening with Bentley, but not all because some things need more verification and it is up to discernment of Revival Alliance what and when this will be revealed. Suffice it to say that there is more than I am going to mention. First of all, Todd has been removed from public ministry until further notice. He has resigned from the ministry he founded, Fresh Fire, so he is no longer a part of that board. It has become clear that he indulged in periodic drunkenness. He has no intention at the moment of reconciling with Shonna, nor does she with him. Their marriage has been torn for years by his emotional attachment with at least one other female whose physical contact went beyond hugging and kissing and holding hands. Enough said-maybe more details will be revealed later-but it was clearly immoral. All of this was skillfully concealed by lying and by swearing close associates who had observed his behavior to secrecy. Stephen Strader, for example, knew nothing of this before June 23. Apparently some of his board members did, but they did not have the ability to deal with it.

The Past

I hope this is the last time I will have to address the past. It is now history. But as history is written, I feel that I have some responsibility of helping to have history be written accurately, especially since I have turned out to be a lightening rod for a number of severe criticisms.

Most of you know this, but let me reiterate to keep it on record. Previous to around the middle of June, my interest in Lakeland was about a 2 on a scale of 1-10. Then I got a call from Stephen Strader, the host pastor who was a member of ICA, which I lead, with a passionate appeal for apostolic intervention because chaos and confusion had begin to invade the Outpouring I. Toward the end of the hour we were talking, I received one of my infrequent direct words from God: "Alignment!" Just one word, but I knew I had a divine command and responsibility.

Once I knew that God had assigned me to initiate some sort of apostolic intervention at Stephen's side, I began praying and consulting with close colleagues. In less than two days I discovered that Todd Bentley had no formal, established apostolic alignment. I asked God how I should proceed, especially since I had no inclination to attempt an apostle-evangelist approach and expect that Bentley would submit to or even listen to what I had to say if I made an appointment with him in Lakeland. I felt that proper apostolic protocol would be for me to deal with one or more peer-level apostles to whom Todd had aligned apostolically. Since as yet he had no such alignment, I began asking God how such an alignment might come about. He directed me to my close friend, Ché Ahn, who himself is apostolically aligned with me and who also had been close to Bentley for years. Ché agreed that the best apostolic protocol would be for Todd to align with the Revival Alliance if he were willing. Ché called him and Bentley agreed to submit publicly to the Revival Alliance.

At this point some disagreements arose. I have already mentioned that I was consulting with several apostolic colleagues whom I trusted and whom I know trusted me. It is very necessary for us to understand exactly what the disagreement was about. It was about the most appropriate apostolic protocol for the occasion. After prayerfully listening to the different points of view with careful consideration of what was being said, the decision had to be mine. I believe that God's word to me about "Alignment!" had to be directional. I concluded that the best protocol was to do the alignment first, then deal with the issues that had been raised. My other friends disagreed and urged me to deal with Todd's problems first then do the alignment. I respected their point of view and I was very sorry that I had to follow God's leading for me personally instead of taking their advice. It was not a comfortable decision.

Now let me address what was behind much of their disagreement with my apostolic protocol. They were concerned that if I appeared on the platform with GOD TV, many viewers would interpret it as my personal endorsement of everything that was going on in Lakeland I, and since they were so closely associated with me, they would be implicated as well. This was a legitimate concern, and one I seriously wrestled with as I made my decision. If I went to Lakeland and presided over the alignment, some might well take it as an endorsement. It was a risk, I knew. Let me say personally that all my life I have been a risk-taker instead of a play-it-safe person, and I have taken many hits for it. As an example going to the jungles of Bolivia as a career field missionary when I was 25 with my wife and a one-year-old baby girl was a serious risk. Both that daughter and another who was born in the jungle without medical attention came close to losing their lives during those five years. And we were criticized for our decision to take the risk by many, including parents!

Closer to the Lakeland I situation, I have a private list of no fewer than 18 high-profile Christian leaders starting from the 1970s until Bentley for whom I took risks. For each one of them I took serious criticisms and in some cases personal hits even much more serious than I have received in this current case because I endorsed or partnered with or provided alignment for them. Some were typified as "crazy!" However, I can pretty much discern winners, although not always. My track record for the 18 is 72% emerged as real winners (you would know most of them), 17% ended up losers (including Bentley), and 11% indecisive. I'm sorry for the losers, but they prove I am not perfect. The point I am making is that I am no stranger to taking risks and living with the fallout.

One fallout from Lakeland I is that several have resigned from ICA and other organizations that I lead because they no longer want to be identified with me. Others are still upset. Still, believe it or not, I think that everyone involved is still my friend. We just disagree.

I want it understood that I did not go to Lakeland on June 23 for Todd Bentley. I had never met him personally. I had no knowledge of and little interest in his ministry. I went because I received an apostolic plea to help bring order to the confusion and chaos that was sweeping through the body of Christ worldwide because of the television. I went strictly for the body of Christ at the invitation of the host pastor of the Outpouring I.

The final question is: Was it successful? Looking back, I praise God for using me and others to help bring order to confusion, which is one of the chief biblical tasks of an apostle. Stephen Strader, who has been keeping records, affirms that the evil that the prince of the power of the air had been subtly introducing into the Outpouring I started to be exposed and unraveled the day after the alignment, June 24! Spiritually, this is very understandable. Just about every leader I knew had discerned that Lakeland I was a mixture of the godly and the ungodly. We were praying in one accord that the evil would be separated from the good. My take is that God had decided to answer these prayers and in order to facilitate His process, He assigned me and the Revival Alliance leaders and others who were with us to align Todd Bentley apostolically for the first time in his life. When we did this publicly, spiritual transactions took place in the invisible world that would not allow the enemy to maintain the veil of secrecy he had carefully placed over the Outpouring. The evil was exposed, Revival Alliance had the authority to deal with it, and the net result is that order is replacing chaos in the body of Christ.

In my section above on "The Present" I gave you some details. Believe me, they are only the tip of the iceberg as I just learned from a new phone call even as I was writing this paper. The proper apostolic structure, happily, is in place at the time of crisis!

The Future

It is now important to recognize that from now on we have a different playing field. Two separate things are going on. (1) The Revival Alliance is dealing with Todd Bentley and the fallout from his sin that has been and continues to be exposed. (2) I have told you previously about a group of 11 apostles that I have formed into the Lakeland Outpouring Apostolic Team. We no longer need to deal with Lakeland I and Bentley as such. However, we have a list of 24 serious issues that have emerged from that unpleasant experience which need to be thoroughly discussed with the conclusions circulated in the body of Christ. If you have seen Dutch Sheets' recent "A Statement and Appeal Regarding Lakeland" you will get a glimpse of some of the things that we agree need to become standard operational beliefs and practices, particularly in our charismatically-inclined evangelical segment of the church.

It will take time, but our Apostolic Team will get to work on the 24 issues after some of this present dust settles, and we will be back to you!


The Mathematics Professor

I will never forget one day while working at a college library, a university professor approached the counter I was attending. Standing in front of him was a relatively small line of people, about four students. Abruptly, he belted out in a loud voice something like, “Excuse me, do not serve them, I am a professor and I need this material now.” I replied, ‘Sir I will address you after I attend to these here, as they are ahead of you in line.” He again said rather sternly, “I am a professor, I need this now!” Well, I confess, at that time I was an atheist and also quite frankly crude in speech, and I said, “Who the “h-expletive” cares? Wait in line like everyone else.” The professor became so irate, he dashed to the counter, and I kid you not, God knows, he began to pound his fist repeatedly on the counter like a child throwing a major temper tantrum. He screamed over and over “I am a mathematics professor, I am a mathematics professor’! I said “I don’t give a “d-expletive” who you are.” (Obviously, I didn’t behave too well either). The students in line began to protest “We were here first. Does this make you any better than anyone else here?” Then a very tall man approached from somewhere, and calmly said, “I will call security here if you do not leave, do you want me to do that?” The professor grunted and left, and we all looked at each other in amazement for what had just happened.

Thankfully God is no respecter of persons. This grand bit of truth is missing in the new apostolic prophetic circles, riddled with hierarchies and the utmost pride in the midst of its dizzying oligarchy.

1 John 2:18-27
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life,
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Saturday, August 23, 2008

Lakeland Revival--A Witness to the World?

"I adjure you by BAM whom Paul preacheth, come out!"

*Acts 19:13 From the NAR Apostolic Prophetic Bible


*Canadian revivalist resigns from ministry over `unhealthy relationship´ with woman Click Here

*An Abbotsford-based faith healer who has polarized North American evangelicals has agreed to step down as the head of Fresh Fire Ministries after it was discovered he had an "unhealthy relationship on an emotional level" with a female staff member. Click Here

* Revivalist quits: Todd Bentley, the Canadian revivalist whose tactics drew protest from fellow Pentecostals, has resigned from public ministry after acknowledging an "unhealthy relationship on an emotional level" with a female staff member. Click Here

*Evangelist Can't Heal Marriage Click Here

*I am extremely disappointed in the article about evangelist Todd Bentley in Friday's Metro section. Instead of any attempt to show what many see as clearly fraudulent showmanship, the reporter spent the entire article pandering to Bentley's believers. In the process, he likely misled others in the community who want badly to believe that they could be healed by this snake-oil salesman. Click Here

*Well guess what? Bentley just got caught cheating on his wife, is getting a divorce and is leaving the ministry. It's Ted Haggard time, only this time it was with a woman according to the ministry's website: Click Here

*VANCOUVER -It wasn't his outrageous claims of raising the dead that finally landed Todd Bentley in trouble. Not the contradictory sermons, or even his criminal past. Not the face piercings, the neck-to-knee tattoos, the biker-dude lifestyle. His followers could live with all that; it was part of the act. Click Here

*John Arnott, founder and pastor of the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship and one of three pastors who have undertaken Todd Bentley's rehabilitation, mentioned in a letter on his Web site Sunday that in addition to the previously reported "emotional" attachment to a female staffer, Bentley was drinking excessively. You can read the full letter here, but here's the operative section: Click Here

Friday, August 22, 2008

Choosing The Word Over Doctrine

I don’t think anyone in his or her right mind would knowingly choose to go to Hell. Particularly someone who believes in God and believe they are doing Him service. Sadly, Jesus said few would find the gate to enter in. This does not mean we resign ourselves to do nothing. It means all the more to preach the gospel, to go to the byways, and not be complacent. Nor are we to disregard His Word, for we are to LIVE by it. Will Jesus tell certain believers to “depart” from Him, and call them “workers of iniquity”? Yes. Do I write this to make you fearful? He loves us, it is His desire all be saved. Consider these words of Jesus:

Luke 12:4-5
4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Luke 13:23-27
23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

Notice, the protester here says “we have eaten and drunken in Your presence, and You have taught in our streets." What is going to happen to these false teachers and false prophets? To the deceived with real callings? Most certainly do not make a choice to intentionally deceive, and consider in I King 13, a real prophet can be deceived and tricked. And what consequences!

1 Kings 13:11-18
11 Now there dwelt an old prophet in Bethel; and his sons came and told him all the works that the man of God had done that day in Bethel: the words which he had spoken unto the king, them they told also to their father.
12 And their father said unto them, What way went he? For his sons had seen what way the man of God went, which came from Judah.
13 And he said unto his sons, Saddle me the ass. So they saddled him the ass: and he rode thereon,
14 And went after the man of God, and found him sitting under an oak: and he said unto him, Art thou the man of God that camest from Judah? And he said, I am .
15 Then he said unto him, Come home with me, and eat bread.
16 And he said, I may not return with thee, nor go in with thee: neither will I eat bread nor drink water with thee in this place:
17 For it was said to me by the word of the LORD, Thou shalt eat no bread nor drink water there, nor turn again to go by the way that thou camest.
18 He said unto him, I am a prophet also as thou art ; and an angel spoke unto me by the word of the LORD, saying, Bring him back with thee into thine house, that he may eat bread and drink water. But he lied unto him.
*19 So he went back with him, and did eat bread in his house, and drank water.
20 And it came to pass, as they sat at the table, that the word of the LORD came unto the prophet that brought him back:
21 And he cried unto the man of God that came from Judah, saying, Thus saith the LORD, Forasmuch as thou hast disobeyed the mouth of the LORD, and hast not kept the commandment which the LORD thy God commanded thee,
22 But camest back, and hast eaten bread and drunk water in the place, of the which the LORD did say to thee, Eat no bread, and drink no water; thy carcass shall not come unto the sepulcher of thy fathers.
23 And it came to pass, after he had eaten bread, and after he had drunk, that he saddled for him the ass, to wit , for the prophet whom he had brought back.
24 And when he was gone, a lion met him by the way, and slew him: and his carcass was cast in the way, and the ass stood by it, the lion also stood by the carcass.

The lie of this old prophet to another prophet "cost" the deceived, *disobedient one his life.

Matthew 7:13-23
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

All it takes is one leader with a real bad theology (like the NAR leadership), one lie to set off a stronghold of deception in someone’s life to possibly lead a person to Hell. The Word, not men is our final authority. Desire the sincere milk of the Word. Embracing an erroneous doctrine just because someone seems an expert, seems authoritative, appears godly, seems super-spiritual, speaks enough Word yet adds and detracts from it, is totally deceptive and dangerous. Warnings against this kind of thing can seem hurtful at the time, but would one rather believe a lie or instead search it out? Could it be one's very soul is at stake? Yes.

Wednesday, August 20, 2008

Mercenaries For Hire

I had been intending to write this for some time now; but the so-called healing revival in Lakeland took priority on my blog for the past couple of months. Then I realized how this topic fits the so-called revival succinctly, because it is about people more concerned with making a buck and a name for themselves rather then standing on the Word of God. It also applies to the prosperity gospel types too. I will write more on it in the future, but for now, the analogy is to the Lakeland “revival”.

MICAH 3:11
The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.

II Timothy 3:13
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

These so-called prophets and apostles who sponsored the Lakeland revival, and ministered in it could not be real, because a real prophet would had rejected it, and real apostles should reject it. These are no "Elijahs", but mercenaries for hire. Mercenaries go for rewards as oppose to what is right in God’s eyes. Mercenaries will join whichever force pays the best in their limited sight, no matter what side in the battle. Mercenaries turn their heads aside when they see wrong, and rationalize it, or simply discount it. Mercenaries will go from one side to another depending upon what is convenient at the moment. Mercenaries don’t operate on principles, they operate according to their selfish needs. They esteem the philosophies of men over the Word of God. Such as the case with Todd Bentley and company running the healing revival in Lakeland Florida.

Notice how the super apostles and like fellows came out to do damage control, straddling both sides of the fences because of Bentley’s indiscretions. What would Paul had done in Lakeland Florida during the revival meetings seeing the new age themes and greed going on there? What would Elijah had done? I guarantee you they would not just grin and shake their heads in approval knowing and seeing all the serious error and blatant idolatry and greed there. Would they believe the new age and dominionist nonsense coming from the mouths of Todd Bentley, Patricia King, C. Peter Wagner, Bob Jones and others? Would they had turn their head and exclaim “look at the fruit” when someone attempts to pimp $1000 donations by deceit and manipulation and cast out devils in the name of “BAM”? Would they laugh and yell “fire” or whatever as people gyrate uncontrollably, bark and what not? Would they go along with falsified accounts of resurrections and healings? Would they screen people expressively for the camera? Would they deify angels with anointings and shove the Spirit of the Living God aside? These pastors, prophets, teachers and apostles approving this thing lack discernment and many are utterly false. The real will come out against it.

*I want to add Elijah and Paul would had certainly spoke against the error in those meetings and not partaken in this mess. People can get healed, saved and delivered by the true power of God anywhere, and also, this does not constitute revival. Also these NAR phonies are training young people to embrace new age doctrine, dominion theology, and a shallow irreverence for the Holy things of God. I was recently conversing with someone and I said "a real prophet would see through this and the powers behind it". She replied 'never mind a prophet, any believer with His Spirit should see through it". God is looking for real soldiers, not pretenders and those who embrace His Word at their convenience. We are not to just follow His Spirit, but serve in Truth (John 4:24).

I really cannot say I am disappointed in Joshua Apostolic Prophetic Network, which endorsed the revival “click here’ because I knew it endorsed the likes of King, Bentley, and Wagner. Thankfully the Lord directed me from that ministry, warning me ahead about the apostasy before the “revival” took place, however, at that time I did not understand. And as with so many people, believers standing for the Truth reached out to a lot of these ministers to no avail; as they would rather believe a lie. Again I don’t like naming names, and but I would be remiss to remain silent on these things seeing no signs of repentance. What would God expect of us? *Ok, last edit?... A lot of these NAR constituents see the error, as with Lee Grady, but remain "in the stew". We are not talking about minor error or issues of interpretation, we are talking gross error and ungodliness.

I believe in the gifts of healing, the healing power of God, I speak in tongues, and I believe in casting out devils, because its in the Word of God. I believe in the apostolic and prophetic “giftings”. God may had met a few in faith, most likely before or after they attended, but out of all the thousands of "proclaimed" healings, there are no documented cases. When meetings break out immediately violating and discounting the Word of God from the get go, folks watch out. These people are an idolatrous group, loving the praise of men more so than the praises of God. They are filled with hypocrisy, esteeming their personal revelations over the Word. The NAR and its constituency is the new religious system. Oh the irony of it all.

Ezekiel 33:4-5
4) Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
5) He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.

Tuesday, August 19, 2008

The Dangers of the Gospel of Accommodation

This is such a great message from David Wilkerson for today's Church, particularly giving recent events. The "enlightened" golden boys and girls of the new apostolic prophetic NAR "we dont need the Word as we have the 'spirit' and our prophetic handbook of false prophecies" can learn from it too. I dare say they fit right in the mode of Wilkerson's message.

The Dangers of the Gospel of Accommodation
by David Wilkerson

I am not coming to you as a pastor but with a prophetic word. God so shook me recently with this message that I should bring it somewhere, sometime in Springfield. This morning the Lord, by His Spirit, spoke to my heart that this is the time. He has called me to be one of His watchmen, and I have wept over this and prayed that He will help me deliver the message in a spirit of love. This is not a chastisement but a warning for the Assemblies of God.

A New Gospel

Accommodate means to adapt, to make suitable and acceptable, to make convenient. A gospel of accommodation is creeping into the United States. It's an American cultural invention to appease the lifestyle of luxury and pleasure. Primarily a Caucasian, suburban gospel, it's also in our major cities and is sweeping the nation, influencing ministers of every denomination, and giving birth to megachurches with thousands who come to hear a nonconfronting message. It's an adaptable gospel that is spoon-fed through humorous skits, drama, and short, nonabrasive sermonettes on how to cope—called a seeker-friendly or sinner-friendly gospel.

To begin with, those terms are unscriptural. The gospel of Jesus Christ has always been confronting—there is no such thing as a friendly gospel but a friendly grace.

This new gospel is being propagated by bright, young, talented ministers. They have come upon a formula which states you can go into any town or city; and if you have the right formula, within a short time you can raise a megachurch.

If you are a young man and have certain skills, you find those skills and a part of the city that would best suit you. You move into that area, poll it, and find out what the nonchurchgoers want:

"You don't like choirs. Well, would you go to a church that didn't have a choir?" Yes.

"You don't like to wear suits. Would you go where it's informal?" Yes.

Then you go to your computer and design a gospel that will not confront but will shoot out the desires and the needs of the people. After you have gathered a handful of people, you keep interviewing them to find out what they want; then you design your message to help people cope with their needs. The program you design is intended to make the church comfortable and friendly for all sinners who wish to attend.

This gospel is fast becoming the most prosperous and flourishing of all religious movements. Thousands attend these churches. The pastor is the CEO, and it becomes a business. They make no bones about it: They are following Madison Avenue tactics and can make a success of it. Their formula for quick church growth is cleverly packaged and is being sold especially to young ministers—those who want to be a part of the big boys and what's happening on a fast track. They want it to happen quickly.

Paul's Warning

Paul warned of the coming of another gospel and another Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:4). He warned the church that it's really not another gospel but a perversion of the true gospel of Jesus Christ. If you hear any other gospel, he said, let that preacher be accursed. In other words, no matter how pleasant, how pious, or how sincere, if the message is not the death of sin through the cross of Jesus Christ, let it be accursed.

I tremble when I read in the Scriptures that in the last days Satan is going to come right into the church posing as an angel of light. He's going to take ministers who, at one time, had the touch of God, and he's going to transform them into angels of light to become his tool of deception. That's frightening. It causes me to fall on my face before God for such false, deceitful workers transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. No marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore, it's no great thing if ministers also are transformed as the ministers of righteousness whose end shall be according to their works.

Paul said they are going to glory in the flesh, in their bigness, their numbers, their influence, and their contemporariness. They will boast they are contemporary, that there is a gospel that is out of style that doesn't reach human need anymore. They will glory in the world's acceptance. Jesus warned, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves" (Matthew 7:15). The context of that warning was: "Straight is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth to life, and few there be that find it" (verse 14).

His warning was to beware of the wolves who are going to say it's really not that narrow and straight—they are going to come posing as submissive sheep. Jesus put His finger on the cause: ambition—ambitious ravening wolves. In the Greek it means "starved for recognition and quick gratification, quick growth."

Jesus left no doubt about His meaning. For example, He was addressing a struggling pastor who has worked for years and hasn't seen the kind of growth he wants to see. A young man with an accommodating gospel moves into town and and within a very short time has a megachurch. People are flocking there because there is entertainment; it's a gospel of fun. I've been in some of them. It's the gospel of entertainment that has no conviction whatsoever. There is very little in their gospel that speaks to sinners of repentance, brokenness, and cross-bearing. A Christ is preached, Jesus' name is mentioned, but Paul said their's is another gospel, another Jesus.

Paul warned that if you are caught in this trap, if you want that hook of entertainment, that hook of sudden growth, this is the hook: The enemy will put in your path a teaching.

I have two preacher sons. One of them confessed to me, "Dad, I was that close to being sucked in because I fasted and prayed and didn't see the growth I wanted to see, and I saw these others grow. That hook was there, and I almost bought it."

That is something this Movement and every movement is going to have to look at and deal with: It is possible, through unholy ambition, to be transformed from a man of God, who has been seeking God and getting a word from heaven, to an unholy ambition and a tool of Satan. Let every pastor heed this warning: The moment you begin to consider the "competition," seeds of accommodation will be planted in your heart. Suddenly, Satan will put in your path a wolf in sheep's clothing—a man who will try to seduce you into ungodly ambition and achieving church growth at any cost. Yet the truth is, it could cost you your soul.

The Right Formula

If you find the right formula, according to the accommodation gospel, you can succeed in any field of endeavor.

An editorial in the New York Times (March 1, 1998) was entitled, How To Manufacture a Best-Seller. It told the story of John Baldwin, a 53-year-old carpenter and a would-be writer, who had struggled for years to make a living from writing. He determined to become famous and rich overnight by writing a best-selling medical thriller. He studied five or six best thrillers. After 7 years' research he found 10 steps to producing a best-selling medical novel. He honed it with some Hollywood writers and agents, and here is the 10-step formula he used:

1. The hero is an expert.
2. The villain is an expert.
3. You must watch all the villain's activities over his shoulder.
4. The hero has a team of experts behind him, working in various fields.
5. Two or more on the team must fall in love.
6. Two or more on the team must die.
7. The villain must turn his attention from his initial goal to the team.
8. The villain and the hero must live to do battle again in the sequel.
9. All deaths must proceed from the individual to the group.
10. If the story bogs down, just kill somebody.

John Baldwin had the formula but no story, so he read of research by John Marr who was studying the epidemiological causes of the 10 plagues, hoping to explain their causes scientifically. The two men formed a partnership, and using Baldwin's 10–step formula, together wrote a 640 page manuscript called The Eleventh Plague. Harper Collins bought it for almost $2 million.

Baldwin, who has no passion for writing, said, "If I get the formula, I'm going to be a multimillionaire and famous." Well, he's going to make another $3 million on the movie rights, and he's laughing all the way to the bank. His philosophy: "If you have the right formula, you can be a success at anything."

You see, this is the gospel of accommodation—the formula. You get the formula, you get what people want, and you can be a success. I am here to tell you that a formula-based, accommodating gospel is contrary to everything in the Scriptures.

God's Method

Certain men of God met at Antioch to send out men to preach the gospel and establish churches (Acts 13). Here is God's method:

1. They ministered to the Lord and fasted. This was their planning session—worshiping, fasting, waiting on the Lord, and calling for direction from the Holy Ghost. They did not move until the Holy Ghost spoke. There were no formulas, no surveys, no door-to-door asking people what they wanted and then serving it to them.

2. They prayed—no strategizing, no network, and not one step until the Holy Ghost spoke His mind. Then and only then did they lay hands upon them, anoint them, and send them out in the power and demonstration of the Holy Ghost.

Paul lived his whole religious life on religious formulas, and he said they didn't work. He gave up on formulas and said, "I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified" (1 Corinthians 2:2). Paul boasted unashamedly, "We preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness" (1 Corinthians 1:23). He was saying, "Gentlemen (he was talking to his peers), they want us to accommodate. The Jews are looking for signs in our gospel. The Greeks want the wisdom. They want to know how to cope, but I'm not compromising. There's only one message. Our gospel has been and will be the Cross and its demands as well as its victories. As for me, I'm determined to preach nothing among you but Christ and Him crucified."

What the Gospel of Accommodation Does

I see three things in the gospel of accommodation:

1. It is the accommodation of man's love for pleasure.

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers...of pleasures more than lovers of God" (2 Timothy 3:1–4). The Greek for pleasure is "sensuous, lustful, voluptuous, exciting, gratifying, sensual pleasure." If you move toward this gospel of accommodation, you are going to have to accommodate the people's lust because they are not going to give up their love for excitement. They've made gods of sports, pleasure, and lust. Unless that is confronted by the gospel of Jesus Christ, unless there is a truth that comes forth, you have to accommodate this lust that is in the American lifestyle.

I was shocked by an article in the New York Times.1 Philip Wogaman, President Clinton's pastor, said, "Sexual misconduct does not automatically render a leader immoral. Morality should also be judged by indicators like courage, concern for the poor, fostering world peace, running the economy responsibly, and furthering racial equality. Heterosexuality and homosexuality are merely cultural expressions." In other words, Mr. Clinton has been told that he has enough good indicators to overrule another that would be immoral in his life.

God said that men who preach doctrines like these resist the truth; they are men of corrupt minds counterfeiting the faith.

In disbelief I watched a televised Sunday night service of a seeker-friendly church—seeker-friendly by its own admission. To a packed church where thousands attend, the pastor said, "This is fun night, a David Letterman night." The youth pastor came out and did his monologue as David Letterman. Then they showed 10 of the most boring things teenagers do during preaching. Three of the 10 were throwing spitballs, yawning, and picking their noses. The crowd went crazy. After the service, the pastor brazenly announced, "We're not here to offend people, but to make church comfortable for everyone." I wept.

I ask you, how long do you think that audience would stay in church if the pastor was gripped by the Holy Ghost, convicted for "entertaining" people toward hell, and suddenly preached a message entitled, "Be sure your sins will find you out"? How long would people keep coming back if a gospel of holy living and separation from the world was preached? Two things would happen: (1) Those who are misguided, hungry, and didn't know any better would weep and run to the altar. (2) Those who are judiciously blinded by their pleasures in madness would flee from the church and never come again. The church doors would close.

I keep this foremost in my mind and before my eyes, because every minister of the gospel one day has to face it when he stands before the Lord. He will say, "Son of man, I made thee a watchman. You were to hear the words of My mouth and give them warnings from Me. You were to tell the wicked, 'Thou shalt surely die.' And you gave them no warning nor spoke to warn the wicked to turn from their wicked ways to save their lives. These same wicked men died in their sins, but their blood I'll require at your hands."

What the Gospel of Accommodation Does

2. This gospel of accommodation accommodates all man's aversion to self-denial.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is one of self-denial. Jesus said, "If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me" (Matthew 16:24). Self-denial is not something you give. It's someone you give up—the giving up of yourself, giving up everything you are. It's a living sacrifice to the Lord Jesus Christ to present your body a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. God has every right to say to His church, "If you expect to give Me your body, your resurrected body, all through eternity, I have every right—it's only reasonable of Me and your reasonable service—to ask your body why you're here on earth. I want every part of you. I want you to be spiritually minded. I want to possess you."

The gospel we preach must bring people under the total possession of the Lord Jesus Christ. Otherwise, it's a gospel of accommodation.

The seeker-friendly gospel accommodates the body. The human body belongs to Him. What we see in America is a neognosticism where you take your physical body on one side and do as you please as long as your spirit is right with God. This is coming even out of the White House, this dividing of personality. No, we are one personality, and it all belongs to Jesus Christ. This neognosticism is destroying the faith of many throughout the nation.

What the Gospel of Accommodation Does

3. There is an accommodation of man's offense to the gospel.

The Scriptures state, "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumblingstone and rock of offense." Paul spoke of the offense of the Cross. This is the heart of God's anger. We're not called to the Cross but to go through the Cross—to experience the same thing Jesus did, not only coming to the Cross but dying and going into the grave with Jesus Christ and then being raised from the dead to a newness of life.

It's cruel, pastor, to lead sinners to the Cross, tell them they are forgiven by faith, and then allow them to go back to their habits and lusts of the flesh, unchanged and still in the devil's shackles. If the preaching of grace doesn't have as its goal the producing of a walk of righteousness, then it's another gospel, another Jesus.

I listened in horror to a man, who attended one of the largest seeker-friendly churches, being interviewed by CBS. He said, "I come to this church because I'm comfortable. I'm never made to feel uneasy. I bring my Jewish friends and my business friends, and I know nothing will ever be said that will offend them. The best part of it is, the whole thing only lasts an hour."

Take it from me: You can get your big church and be one of the big boys, but it's going to cost you your soul if you preach with a focus only on earthly things, rather than on the things of God.

I've lived in New York City 35 years. We have 103 nationalities from all walks of life—from the poorest to the richest. Probably 300 or more from the United Nations live there. But I look over a congregation (so does my dear friend, Jim Cymbala, in Brooklyn) and see men who have just walked in from the porno shops and are wild animals. I see a businessman friend who was CEO of a multimillion–dollar company, but he started snorting coke, lost everything, and is now a bum on the street. He sits in the congregation. A little 14-year-old girl with AIDS is up on 8th Avenue performing lewd acts before dirty old men. She comes to church and keeps saying, "Pastor Dave, I've got to get out. I've got to get help."

I'm not about to put up a silly skit and preach a 15-minute message on how to cope to a multitude of people who are dying and going to hell. I tremble at the thought.

People don't like to hear this, but we're headed for perilous times—just a few years away from a collapse like the world has never known. When that happens, all who preached prosperity are going to disappear because the people will say, "Your gospel has failed me." When that time comes, I want to grasp onto Jesus, and I want everyone I've preached to to have faith in the keeping power of Jesus Christ. I want them to know Him in His fullness. I want to know that I've done it in love, in grace, that they would know the difference between the holy and the profane.

May God, in Jesus' name, spare the Assemblies of God forever. If I have ever given a prophetic message in my lifetime that God intended for a purpose, it is now.

Many are being deceived. If they are not awakened, what I warn you about will happen.

I pray that God will keep the Assemblies of God in its original purposes. In New York City, He has proved that the people come to hear a straight gospel, and thousands will come where the Word of God is being preached without compromise and yet with grace. May the young men who are discouraged in the Movement not try for a shortcut but be broken and on their faces before the Lord.

May we get our eyes off growth and onto a new revelation of who Jesus is.

Sunday, August 17, 2008

More From Ricciardelli On Lakeland

While perusing some blogs, I found that Robert Ricciardelli has written more about the Lakeland "revival", and the text of his newsletter is below. Again, my hat is off to this man for standing up for God in the face of belligerent peers concerned with their popularity and making a name for themselves.

Roberts Weekly Pondering

Todd Bentley's moral failure was publically exposed this week. There is more that has come forth from young women and pastors from his home town and around the world, so more information should be forthcoming, unfortunately. We have tried to be wise in our reporting, as we felt compelled to report because so many questions were being asked and so many were being influenced by wrongful doctrine and untruthful claims. Many leaders have been deceived and so we know the deception was very powerful, even though many of us were wondering how so many had been caught up in it.

Lakeland was not revival, but there were many who made the journey who were touched. The question was, how could that be? Well we know that God inhabits the praises of His people and there were many who came to worship Him in the Lakeland meetings. Many came expecting, and God met them in their expectation of Him. There were claims of the dead raised and other extravagant miracles, and this simply did not happen. Some people were healed and many were touched in the worship. We have seen in the past from Ted Haggard, William Branham, Paula White, etc., that results can happen regardless of the character and lifestyle of those from the platform. Todd's lifestyle, character, doctrine, methods, etc., often did not line up with the Word of God and that is why there was such a schism in the charismatic church. Those that supported Lakeland and felt touched and those of us that were watching in shock as we seemed to be watching a completely different story.

We have asked leaders to not put a spin on their involvement and to consider acknowledging that they were duped. I have been duped before and will again. I was fortunate that on this occasion, we had information early on of the deception that was going on. We witnessed how this was in fact perpetrated by man, for man's agendas. We shared this with many of leaders involved, and many would not listen. Instead they warned us to not come against Todd Bentley, his lifestyle, his methods, or his doctrine, because he was God's choice to mess with our religion. We were called "revival police", and other names for asking questions. The fact was that they needed revival police, because there was criminal activity going on. Todd should have been arrested for assault when he kicked a sick man to the ground in Jesus name.

I am hoping that those leaders who supported Lakeland and used the same platform for gain would come forth and admit that they either were too concerned with their own agendas to listen to those who warned them of such things, or they simply just missed it. God TV has an enormous responsibility in all this and ignored wisdom from many leaders regarding this. At the time of this writing, many have back pedaled claiming that they did not lay hands on Todd, or endorse him. It would be refreshing if they came out and said, I am so sorry, please forgive us for our blindness in these matters. And also ask Todd for forgiveness in using his platform, rather than having Todd come down from the platform for the ministry and healing that was needed.

If you have talked to the people who have been hurt by this violence and abuse, you would understand the frustration from many of us. When we questioned staff members, and former staff members about Todd, many used the same words to describe him, Pathological Liar". These lies in the guise of ministry and Todd's behind the scenes lifestyle made it difficult for his board and others to discern. I have gotten emails wondering if I am happy now that Todd has been caught in an affair, (see message from Todd's board). We are not happy about this, it has been sickening and impacts us all. I am saddened for him, for his family, for the other woman, and for all of those who have been hurt through this process and Todd's lifestyle. I pray for repentance, I pray for mercy, I pray for reconciliation and I pray for total exposure so that Todd can finally get the deliverance and healing he needs. This did not happen 3 years ago, and this led to this sad moment.

I would like to thank all the brave souls out there that stood for righteousness, holiness, and reverence towards the things of God. One man whom I love and respect is Lee Grady. He has been guarded and only released responsibly needed information, and he did so in the love of God, and the love of the truth of His Word. My prayer is that we could all learn from this. It could happen to any of us, if we refuse to walk humbly in the fear of God .We must also choose to walk with those around us that that will provide relational accountability, get in our face when they need to, and encourage us towards righteous living before God and man. Todd has a chance now to be whole for the first time in his life and that is what we should all pray for. We should also pray for a miracle in his family and also for the charismatic church to walk in plumb line truth of God's Word. We also pray for the church to rid themselves of the self pleasure pursuit of signs and wonders, and adrenaline rush experience, and instead pursue King Jesus and His righteousness in every aspect of our lives. As they die to self, and serve others, they will see signs and wonders follow their lifestyles of obedience while living in His presence.

Critics of The "Critics"

I am amazed at the critics of the "critics" of the Lakeland Revival. What? Ostracize people for standing for the Truth and esteeming the Word of God over a move of men? Forget what the Word says and go with the flow of the spirit? This is what the pro-Lakeland supporters and false prophets would have one to do, for they value the praises and the workings of men over the Word of God. It's orchestrators are an idolatrous group. They are the blind leading the blind. They would have you keep your head buried in sand, particularly since it makes them look better. Because if you really saw them, you would see the demonic powers standing behind them and influencing them. Yet they fancy themselves to be the "enlightened ones". The irony of it all.

And I cannot believe how many of these duped people accuse those standing for Truth to be rejoicing over Bentley's marital situation. Divorce is a tragic thing, and I do not believe anyone is glad about that. And we must all consider the toll this will take on their children. No one is happy over this, and no one is happy about wolves amongst God's people... except the wolves. They say "shut up", and secretly, "do not criticize lest we be found out to be the false teachers and false prophets we are". Of course, they guise this in "love for their fellow brethren" lest we hurt them. Never mind leading the brethren down a false and destructive path.

1 JOHN 5:7-8
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Saturday, August 16, 2008

Yer Looking Fer Me?

Well, forget talk about a major shift in the spirit realm. The apostolic prophetic machine is experiencing major shifts manifesting here on earth too. Watching C. Peter Wagner and “friends” shift and sway and teeter on their position on Bentley reminds me of the old Gunsmoke episodes I watched growing up. The crooks would always turn on their fellow crooked comrades, and often, a fall guy would be sacrificed involuntarily; unbeknownst to him of course. The “pigeon” would step out behind the rocks as Matt Dillon approached him and the gang, then turn back around to see where his fighting friends where positioned, but they were no where to be found! Such it is in the dog eat dog world of false apostles and prophets, and is it any surprise? What would one expect, ethical and godly behavior? Not. And why because of the marital problems Bentley is experiencing, come out against him now? A little late to address his crimes now. Wagner and his big cheese constituents should had came out against Lakeland’s so-called revival from the get go, but then again, they are also producing and contributing to the type of error we seen in the Lakeland "revival". Fact is, Wagner and others can try to exempt and decontaminate themselves from Bentley and the Lakeland revival; but they are just as much a part of it...*in fact, they are the bigger part. They can orchestrate committees and “alignments” and what have to “look good”, but we should not be blind to their part in this. Don’t walk, run from those following Wagner and the NAR, that is the “new apostles and prophets”. Stick with people who follow God’s Word.

2 Timothy 3:1-7
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Friday, August 15, 2008

All Hands Abandon Ship!

C. Peters Wagner’s statement below on the aftermath of Lakeland is damage control of the highest apostolic sort, and Lord how we do not need alignments and coverings like this! Pride is truly a destructive force. Certain others follow behind him to look as good as they can too, now also distancing themselves from the Lakeland “Outpouring”, tinkering with their websites and churning out newsletters. As I read this, and as with most of the new apostolic prophetic propaganda, my mind goes to Jesus who warns us in Revelation not to detract or add to this Book. The philosophies of men are often rooted in pride, but God’s Word abides forever. The Word should always come first, but this group worries about being “in the know” first. And that my friends, speaks volumes. Remarkable how error ranked low on his priorities, but then again being in gross error and deceived himself, he simply ignores it and continues to breed deception. How sad, for them being deceived, and those they have deceived. This mess is indeed a wake up call for the Church.

*Just want to add, I believe some will truly repent, and not just distance themselves for showmanship. Better late than never, but those in pretense,...will still be found out. Edited Again:*I should never post deliriously tired and in a foul mood.


From the Lakeland Outpouring Apostolic Team
Written by C. Peter Wagner, Convening Apostle


Few events in recent church history have drawn as much national and international attention as the Lakeland Outpouring, May-August 2008, led by evangelist Todd Bentley and his Fresh Fire Ministries team. A key factor contributing to this unusual phenomenon has been the decision of Rory and Wendy Alec to use GOD TV to televise the revival meetings internationally.

As would be expected, true to the history of revivals, a powerful move of God like this inevitably draws serious attacks from the enemy and his forces of darkness. One outcome is a range of reactions to the phenomenon from those who focus on the hand of God in the ministry to those who focus on the damage that the enemy is doing. Because of the unprecedented number of people who have been affected one way or another by Lakeland and because of instant communication through technology, opinions and points of view easily become public domain, and the body of Christ can readily become polarized, which, of course, would be a victory for the enemy.

Unfortunately, in the case of Lakeland, the enemy has been succeeding, more than he should, in producing widespread confusion and even chaos throughout large segments of the body of Christ.

Throughout the early weeks of the Outpouring I watched it from time to time on TV, I followed the news items and rejoiced at what God was doing in Lakeland, but the matter was located toward the bottom of my priority scale. I also became aware of a rising number of criticisms and concerns about what was going on there, but I had very little interest in absorbing or analyzing them. This changed when I received a telephone call from Apostle Stephen Strader, Pastor of Ignited Church, and host of the Lakeland Outpouring. Stephen called me as the Presiding Apostle of the International Coalition of Apostles (ICA) of which he was a member. From first hand observation he described both the blessings and harsh opposition that they had begun to experience. Then he said, "Where are the apostles?"

I believe the Holy Spirit spoke to me at that moment and said words to the effect, "Peter, you will need to answer that question." As I have written in my books, one of the roles of an apostle is to set things in order and another is to assure that the body of Christ is operating on the basis of sound, biblical doctrine. There was no question about the need-disorder reigned, and many of the Lakeland doctrines as well as practices were being called into question on an international scope. I believe that I was given a divine assignment that I hadn't even desired, namely to attempt to bring some kind of apostolic order to this widespread and potentially damaging confusion.

While I was talking to Stephen, God kept bringing the word "alignment" to the front of my mind, so I questioned him on Todd Bentley's apostolic alignment. The upshot was that Todd believed in apostles and prophets, but he had never entered into a formal alignment. I did some more investigation over the next couple of days, and I was assured that this was indeed the case.

As the picture developed, there were two pressing needs. One was to facilitate apostolic alignment for Todd and the other was to deal responsibly with the doctrinal and ministry style issues being discussed. Then the question became, Which should come first? Meanwhile I had been discussing these things with several friends, all of whom were also members of ICA and whose opinion I highly respected. I immediately discovered to my surprise that many of my friends had formed highly-charged and emotionally intense opinions. Some were advising me not to go to Lakeland to promote a formal alignment until the doctrinal issues first had been resolved. Others took the opposite position. I carefully considered what they said and weighed the pros and cons as best I could.

My thinking was that I did not want to deal with doctrinal issues with any one but fellow apostles. I had recently attempted a similar process that had to do with a certain prophet, and I had failed in accomplishing my goal of bringing about a reconciliation of opposing parties. I felt that one of my mistakes had been attempting to deal directly with a prophet who was not aligned with me instead of dealing with an apostle with whom this person was in fact aligned. I certainly knew that I did not want to attempt to work directly with an evangelist such as Todd Bentley, especially one whom I had never met. If Todd was not apostolically aligned, this alignment needed to be formalized before I was prepared to go any further. I am well aware that some friends thought I should have stopped right there and pulled out. Perhaps I should have, but I felt that I would be disobeying the word from the Holy Spirit if I did. Some of my friends have not yet forgiven me for not taking their advice, and, who knows? Someday they might be telling me, "I told you so!"

Regardless, I knew that alignment needed to come first. Chuck Pierce, with whom I am closely aligned prophetically, wholeheartedly agreed. I did my due diligence and discovered that Ché Ahn was the ICA member who had the closest contact with Todd, and that Todd was willing to accept this alignment. Ché felt that he should bring in Bill Johnson and John Arnott since all three of them were close to Todd and they lead the newly-formed Revival Alliance. Unbelievably, all four of us had one date in common open all summer, Monday, June 23, so we decided that we would propose it to Todd. He enthusiastically agreed and invited us to come.

By now the word was getting out and I was receiving a quantity of email correspondence from other apostles who were interested. I opened the door for those who desired to accompany us on the platform. I did not allow prophets, evangelists pastors, or teachers to join the group-apostles only. A total of 17 apostles participated representing three apostolic streams: ICA, Revival Alliance, and Morning Star (Rick Joyner).

The Alignment Ceremony

My role in the ceremony was to facilitate Todd's alignment with the three from Revival Alliance, who would then commission Todd as the evangelist to the Lakeland Outpouring. The others were invited to join in with short prayers or prophecies as led.

I need to explain a couple of things at this point, because it turns out that some have misunderstood what I have just said. Some have thought that Todd is aligned with me, which is not the case. He is not a member of ICA. We are barely aquainted. Please note that purposely I have never come out and defended Todd against any of the accusations. I have attempted to maintain neutrality in order to deal with the issues as objectively as possible.

Some have said that my very appearance in the ceremony constituted a de facto endorsement of the Lakeland Outpouring. I anticipated that this would be the case, and I felt I had to take the risk because I knew of no other way to proceed. So while it was an endorsement, I in no way meant it to imply that I was endorsing Lakelands's side of the controversial issues. For one thing I couldn't do that because I had not yet investigated them as I am doing now. I felt that the proper protocol was alignment first. However, I did feel, and still do, that what was wrong with the Outpouring should be corrected if at all possible rather than rejected out of hand.

Others wondered if this was an ICA event. It was not. However, I cannot separate myself from my role as the ICA leader, and I so identified myself in my paper.
Thirteen of the 17 apostles on the platform were ICA members, and they agreed that Todd would be better with formal apostolic alignment than without it.

I have been scolded by some for making an apostolic decree at the end of my presentation. They may be right. However, I believe in apostolic alignment so much, that my thought was that Todd would be blessed more after the alignment than before.
Take note also that I mentioned a heightened level of discernment between truth and error which obviously has been called for.

The vows of alignment with Ché, Bill, and John led to Todd's commissioning. Ché Ahn was in charge of this. Notice that the only ones who laid on hands and commissioned were the three of them. Several prayed and prophesied. I want to make it clear that I did not commission Todd as some wrongly think. I didn't lay on hands, I didn't anoint with oil, in fact I moved to the back and neither my wife, Doris, nor I prayed or prophesied. I did this intentionally because I knew I would be wrongly positioned for the second part of my assignment if I did.

With the alignment completed, I was ready to go on with the second part of the assignment, namely attempting to bring order out of the confusion concerning doctrines and ministry practices

Bringing Order to the Issues

I felt that I needed a team of apostles who were willing to work with me in order to identify the concerns that had been brought up, define them as carefully as possible, and come to an opinion that could be issued to the public. Ten other apostles have agreed to work with me in this project: Ché Ahn, Bill Johnson, John Arnott, Chuck Pierce, Stephen Strader, Lee Grady, David Cannistraci, Steve Strang, Jeff Beacham, and Joe Askins.

One of our first tasks was to develop a "Lakeland Spectrum" in order to help individuals concerned to know where they stood as over against others. We have a five point spectrum (1) Strong approval, (2) Concerned approval, (3) Neutral, (4) Conditional disapproval, (5) Strong disapproval. The members of our apostolic team range from 1 to 4.5, so we have a range of perspectives.

We have been working on sorting out what we now have, and the list is down to 24 issues. We are taking this very seriously, and we understand that the process will take time. When we arrive at our conclusions we will release them to the public. John Arnott will be the point person to review our findings with Todd Bentley and the Fresh Fire Board of which he is a member.

We will add to this report of the findings as soon as possible . . . .

Wednesday, August 13, 2008

Lee Grady...Life After Lakeland

This came in from Lee Grady today, and I agreed with several points in the letter, BUT I totally disagreed when it came to the part on Wagner and the NAR constituency. I believe anyone "aligned" with the C. Peter Wagner, NAR, ICA, elders, and "what have" are in error and being indoctrinated by GROSS error. Bentley, King, Jones, Hamon,Wendy and Rory Alec, Elijah List folks... and others, follow a good deal of the NAR type and other faulty theology. Bentley was no doubt influenced by it as well, so "covering" from Wagner's organization is "covering" people can do without as far as I am concerned. However, this does not excuse Bentley. And don't forget other major red flags: overemphasis of angels, esteeming William Branham, gyrating with devils... Most of the people associated with Wagner and the NAR are false prophets and teachers, and I believe any of the real should see through it and come out of it. Despite this, Lee Grady's e-letter presented important points to reflect upon. Again, I do not like naming names , but we don't have the luxury of time to tolerate dangerous error. I took the liberty to highlight certain parts in red.

Fire In My Bones
by Lee Grady, August 13, 2008

Life After Lakeland: Sorting Out the Confusion

Todd Bentley’s announcement that his marriage is ending has thrown our movement into a tailspin—and questions need to be answered.

It was not supposed to end like this.

Evangelist Todd Bentley had heralded the Lakeland revival as the greatest Pentecostal outpouring since Azusa Street. From his stage in a gigantic tent in Florida, Bentley preached to thousands, bringing many of them to the stage for prayer. Many claimed to be healed of deafness, blindness, heart problems, depression and dozens of other conditions in the Lakeland services, which ran for more than 100 consecutive nights. Bentley announced confidently that dozens of people had been raised from the dead during the revival.

But this week, a few days after the Canadian preacher announced the end of his visits to Lakeland, he told his staff that his marriage is ending. Without blaming the pace of the revival for Bentley’s personal problems, his board released a public statement saying that he and his wife, Shonnah, are separating. The news shocked Bentley’s adoring fans and saddened those who have questioned his credibility since the Lakeland movement erupted in early April.

“Among those who jumped on the Lakeland bandwagon, discernment was discouraged. They were expected to swallow and follow. The message was clear: ‘This is God. Don’t question.’ ”

I’m sad. I’m disappointed. And I’m angry. Here are few of my many, many questions about this fiasco:

Why did so many people flock to Lakeland from around the world to rally behind an evangelist who had serious credibility issues from the beginning?

To put it bluntly, we’re just plain gullible.

From the first week of the Lakeland revival, many discerning Christians raised questions about Bentley’s beliefs and practices. They felt uneasy when he said he talked to an angel in his hotel room. They sensed something amiss when he wore a T-shirt with a skeleton on it. They wondered why a man of God would cover himself with tattoos. They were horrified when they heard him describe how he tackled a man and knocked his tooth out during prayer.

But among those who jumped on the Lakeland bandwagon, discernment was discouraged. They were expected to swallow and follow. The message was clear: “This is God. Don’t question.” So before we could all say, “Sheeka Boomba” (as Bentley often prayed from his pulpit), many people went home, prayed for people and shoved them to the floor with reckless abandon, Bentley-style.

I blame this lack of discernment, partly, on raw zeal for God. We’re spiritual hungry—which can be a good thing. But sometimes, hungry people will eat anything.

Many of us would rather watch a noisy demonstration of miracles, signs and wonders than have a quiet Bible study. Yet we are faced today with the sad reality that our untempered zeal is a sign of immaturity. Our adolescent craving for the wild and crazy makes us do stupid things. It’s way past time for us to grow up.

Why didn’t anyone in Lakeland denounce the favorable comments Bentley made about William Branham?

This one baffles me. Branham embraced horrible deception near the end of his ministry, before he died in 1965. He claimed that he was the reincarnation of Elijah—and his strange doctrines are still embraced by a cultlike following today. When Bentley announced to the world that the same angel that ushered in the 1950s healing revival had come to Lakeland, the entire audience should have run for the exits.

Why didn’t anyone correct this error from the pulpit? Godly leaders are supposed to protect the sheep from heresy, not spoon feed deception to them. Only God knows how far this poison traveled from Lakeland to take root elsewhere. May God forgive us for allowing His Word to be so flippantly contaminated.

A prominent Pentecostal evangelist called me this week after Bentley’s news hit the fan. He said to me: “I’m now convinced that a large segment of the charismatic church will follow the anti-Christ when he shows up because they have no discernment.” Ouch. Hopefully we’ll learn our lesson this time and apply the necessary caution when an imposter shows up.

Why did God TV tell people that “any criticism of Todd Bentley is demonic”?

This ridiculous statement was actually made on one of God TV’s pre-shows. In fact, the network’s hosts also warned listeners that if they listened to criticism of Bentley, they could lose their healings.

This is cultic manipulation at its worst. The Bible tells us that the Bereans were noble believers because they studied the Scriptures daily “to see whether these things were so” (Acts 17:11, NASB). Yet in the case of Lakeland, honest intellectual inquiry was viewed as a sign of weakness. People were expected to jump first and then open their eyes.

Just because we believe in the power of the Holy Spirit does not mean we check our brains at the church door. We are commanded to test the spirits. Jesus wants us to love Him with our hearts and our minds.

Because of the Lakeland scandal, there may be large numbers of people who feel they’ve been burned by Bentley. Some may give up on church and join the growing ranks of bitter, disenfranchised Christians. Others may suffer total spiritual shipwreck. This could have been avoided if leaders had been more vocal about their objections and urged people to evaluate spiritual experiences through the filter of God’s Word.

Why did a group of respected ministers lay hands on Bentley on June 23 and publicly ordain him? Did they know of his personal problems?

This controversial ceremony was organized by Peter Wagner, who felt that one of Bentley’s greatest needs was proper spiritual covering. He asked California pastors Che Ahn and Bill Johnson, along with Canadian pastor John Arnott, to lay hands on Bentley and bring him under their care.

Bentley certainly needs such covering. No one in ministry today should be out on their own, living in isolation without checks, balances and wise counsel. It was commendable that Wagner reached out to Bentley and that Bentley acknowledged his need for spiritual fathers by agreeing to submit to the process. The question remains, however, whether it was wise to commend Bentley during a televised commissioning service that at times seemed more like a king’s coronation.

In hindsight, we can all see that it would have been better to take Bentley into a back room and talk about his personal issues.

The Bible tells us that ordination of a minister is a sober responsibility. Paul wrote: “Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others” (1 Tim. 5:22). We might be tempted to rush the process, but the apostle warned against fast-tracking ordination—and he said that those who commission a minister who is not ready for the job will bear some of the blame for his failures.

I trust that Wagner, Ahn, Johnson and Arnott didn’t know of Bentley’s problems before they ordained him. I am sure they are saddened by the events of this week and are reaching out to Bentley and his wife to promote healing and restoration. But I believe that they, along with Bentley and the owners of God TV, owe the body of Christ a forthright, public apology for thrusting Bentley’s ministry into the spotlight prematurely. (Perhaps such an apology should be aired on God TV.)

Can anything good come out of this?

That depends on how people respond. If the men assigned to oversee Bentley offer loving but firm correction, and if Bentley responds humbly to the process by stepping out of ministry for a season of rehabilitation, we could witness a healthy case of church discipline play out the way it is supposed to. If all those who were so eager to promote Bentley now rush just as fast to repent for their errors in judgment, then the rest of us could breathe a huge sigh of relief—and the credibility of our movement could be restored.

I still believe that God desires to visit our nation in supernatural power. I know He wants to heal multitudes, and I will continue praying for a healing revival to sweep across the United States. But we must contend for the genuine, not an imitation. True revival will be accompanied by brokenness, humility, reverence and repentance—not the arrogance, showmanship and empty hype that often was on display in Lakeland.

We are weathering an unprecedented season of moral failure and spiritual compromise in our nation today. I urge everyone in the charismatic world to pray for Bentley; his wife, Shonnah; his three young children; Bentley’s ministry staff; and the men and women who serve as his counselors and advisers. Let’s pray that God will turn this embarrassing debacle into an opportunity for miraculous restoration.

Friday, August 8, 2008

A Choice For The Real Deal

I have been thinking about the videos put out from Andrew Strom regarding the revival in Lakeland and the new prophetic movement. He spoke of how the prophets in the Bible pointed to the Word, and to true repentance. A genuine repentance. And Mr. Strom is right; the kind of antics we have witnessed in the Lakeland Revival and in the new apostolic prophetic movement has given the word “charismatic” a bad name. It has given the “prophetic” a bad name too, because we got a group of flaky apostles and prophets (many of whom are false) bombarding the Church with deceptive revelations, false anointings, and word twistsations straight from Hell. And what really struck me, and it is oh so true, these people do not have a reverential fear of God. They try to talk about it, and discuss it, yet their words are shallow, and their own actions are utterly contrary. It is a “pretense”. He is a Holy God. It is through His Word we see His character.

This new group of apostles and prophets point to themselves more so than the Lord Jesus Christ. You see it’s about how “prophetic” they are, how “exciting” they are, and what a “new thing” they are doing. Yeah, I say’, It’s a new thing alright, a fleshy demonic money-making name-making thing. A “let me shake my head 100 times because I am so prophetic I might just explode and don’t you want ‘some’ of my prophetic” thing. Satan rears his rotten head and laughs. He laughs as they roll on the floor jerking with their masquerading devils, as they gyrate and squeal like wild animals. This kind of leadership, these kinds of manifestations, the Church can do without. I say seriously, any ministry or church endorsing the Lakeland Revival, I would steer clear from and take out running the other direction.

I say praise God for healings, speaking in other tongues, visions, and miracles. Thank God for genuine revival. But revival needs to be in God’s timing and on His terms. These demonically inspired false prophets, apostles, and teachers are quick to say “you cant put God in a box”. Well you can’t make Him out to be something He’s not either. He’s not your wind up toy, cranking out revival, third heaven experiences, and visions at your whim. God does not change, He does not violate His Word, and He is a Holy God. Andrew Strom made a great analogy to Ishmael with this revival, as it is most certainly an Ishmael. I too believe many wanted genuine revival who attended these meetings, yet I also believe some of those who orchestrated the meetings were concerned with furthering their own agendas.

There is apparently a movement to create an alternative network of apostles and prophets out away from the umbrella of C. Peter Wagner and dominion theology. I think that’s a step in the right direction, but we must remain ever so vigilant and weigh their fruits as well.

When people have believed a lie and they genuinely repent of it, like those who are now disassociating themselves from the New Apostolic Reformation crowd because of the Lakeland ‘revival’; we should be of encouragement to them. It is more important to come out of a deception, then the fact that one was once deceived. In fact, many people pointing out the fallacies seen in the Lakeland Healing Revival were once deceived or nearly deceived by similar teachers themselves, and by people in the new apostolic prophetic movement. You can sometimes glean much “going through” something and gain insightful, empathetic perspective.

Move out from error-ridden ministries. Make God number one. He should be more important than how you look, how many friends you have and don’t have, how much money you got, whether you are accepted in the major prophetic and apostolic circles, and if you “look” foolish because you were once so deceived or wrongly connected. But imagine how you look to God when you declare, ‘Lord I cannot turn my head aside to this nonsense and error and greed anymore. I am going to take a stand for what is right and I am going to stand besides Your Word. And You and NOT man is number One in my life from here forward.’

Too many in the prophetic movement worship the “prophetic”. They live and breath and work for “the prophetic”, and if there is time, they make time for real time with God. Even sadder, some don’t care about “real” time with God, as “counterfeit” time will due. Counterfeit time provides quick material for making dvd sales and appeals to the flesh. And it is almost always, easy and popular.

13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.